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ixl2relax [Clutch Pack]
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ixl2relax [Upgrade Clutch Release Bearing - HD P/N 8885 to 7200B Angular Ball Bearing]
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 ====== Aftermarket Rivet Plate ======
-===== Alto Products =====
+===== Alto Spring Plate =====
-==== Spring Plate ====
 Alto Products Corp has developed a new version of the Harley Davidson spring separator plate (Alto P/N 095763HD). ((thanks to rocketmangb for the tip)) \\
-Made for Harley Davidson Sportster 91-On and Big Twin 90-On. (Used to replace HD P/N 37975-90)\\
+It is made to replace the stock version for the Sportsters (91-On) and Big Twin (90-97 Evo). (Used to replace HD P/N 37975-90)
-This update features 16 Stainless Steel Rivets to hold the plate together for longer lasting durability, instead of the usual Brass Rivets. \\
-This heavy duty replacement addresses the issue of the original brass rivets loosening over time. \\
-{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_ss_spring_plate.jpg?direct&300|}} ((Alto spring plate picture used by permission from Alto Products Corp.))
+The Alto version features 16 Stainless Steel Rivets to hold the plate together for longer lasting durability,\\
+instead of the usual Brass Rivets. This heavy duty replacement addresses the issue of the original\\
+brass rivets loosening over time.
+| {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_ss_spring_plate.jpg?direct&300|}} ((Alto spring plate picture used by permission from Alto Products Corp.)) | \\ [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/197759-grenade-plate?t=2074441|See this XLForum thread about using one]].\\  \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ [[https://www.altousa.com/|Click here for the Alto website]]\\ \\ Click here to download a PDF of their\\ [[https://www.altousa.com/docs/catalogs Alto_Motorcycle_Catalog_19196.pdf|Complete Motorcycle Catalog]].\\ \\ Alto also offers two versions of the spring plate\\ with brass rivets: 095763 & 095763UP1 |
-  * ..[[https://www.altousa.com/|Click here for the Alto website]]
+\\
-  * ..[[https://www.altousa.com/docs/catalogs/Alto_Motorcycle_Catalog_19196.pdf|Click here to download their complete motorcycle catalog in PDF]].
-  * Alto also offers two versions of the spring plate with brass rivets: 095763 & 095763UP1
+====== 91 and Later Aftermarket Clutch Packs ======
-==== Clutch Pack ====
+===== Alto Clutch Pack =====
 Alto kit part number 095750BC is for Sportsters. \\
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-**ALTO Part #(095750BC)**: \\
+**ALTO Part #(095750BC): For All Sportsters 91-later (and Big Twin 90-97 w/EVO engine)**\\
-For All Sportsters 91-later (and Big Twin 90-97 w/EVO engine)\\
 Contents: \\
-  * (10) 095731B185 1-Side Friction, Internally Splined
+  * (10) 095731B185 Steel/Friction Plate, Internally Splined
-  * (10) 095730D150 1-Side Friction, Externally Splined
+  * (10) 095730D150 Steel/Friction Plate, Externally Splined
-  * (1) 095730A185 Friction Plate, Double Sided
+  * (1) 095730A185 Double Sided Friction Plate
-**Note** most Sportster installations only use 9-Int + 9-Ext + 1-Double plate.
+**Note** Sportster installations only use 9-Int + 9-Ext + 1-Double plate. 1 each of Int & Ext left over.\\
+........ Check your total stack height as compared to the stock parts being removed.
-**ALTO Part # (095750CC)**: \\
+**ALTO Part # (095750CC): ONLY For Buell 2005-later**\\
-ONLY For Buell 2005-later\\
+(There is misprinted information at Alto & elsewhere indicating this kit is for 05+ XLs - **IT IS NOT!**)\\
-(There is misprinted information at Alto & elsewhere indicating this kit is for XLs - IT IS NOT!)\\
 Contents: \\
-  * (8) 095731B185 1-Side Friction, Internally Splined
+  * (8) 095731B185 Steel/Friction Plate, Internally Splined
-  * (8) 095730D150 1-Side Friction, Externally Splined
+  * (8) 095730D150 Steel/Friction Plate, Externally Splined
-  * (1) 095730A185 Friction Plate, Double Sided
+  * (1) 095730A185 Double Sided Friction Plate
 ==== Pics of ALTO (095750BC) Installed  ====
-Note that most plates are combination plates - steel on one side & fiber on the other side, then, the outermost one, which is fiber on both sides. ((rocketmangb of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2075976&page=2)) \\
+Note that most plates are combination plates - steel on one side & fiber on the other side, then, the outermost one, which is fiber on both sides. ((rocketmangb of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/199132-stacking-the-alto-carbonite-clutch/page2?t=2075976&page=2)) \\
 Install all the combo plates first (fiber side inward) and then the double-sided fiber plate placed in last (outermost). \\
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 {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_4_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_5_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_6_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} \\
-====== 91 and Later Aftermarket Clutch Packs ======
-===== Energy One =====
+===== Energy One - Extra Plate Kit =====
 **BTX-11**: \\
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 This kit includes 1 extra friction and steel plate to retain the OEM stack height.
-|  Energy One BTX-11  ((photo by SarahColt of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4809249#post4809249))  |  Soaking the plates in oil ((photo by chris_b_owens of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5072316))  |
+|  Energy One BTX-11  ((photo by SarahColt of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/163701-sarah-needs-help-fixing-her-bike/page21#post3494568))  |  Soaking the plates in oil ((photo by chris_b_owens of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/cafe-racer-sportster-motorcycle-talk/170788-my-2013-iron-883-cafe-build/page30#post3698865))  |
 |{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:energy_one_clutch_pack_by_sarahcolt.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:tools:soaking_new_cluch_plates_by_chris_b_owens.jpg?direct&300|}}|
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 ===== Barnett Kevlar Clutch Kit =====
-In this section, Grind, from the XLForum.net, notes that he had ordered a new Barnett Kevlar clutch pack & Barnett 25% stronger diaphragm spring for his 2004 1200C Sportster. The pictures below are from that thread: ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4560023&postcount=219 - Grind))
+In this section, Grind, from the XLForum.net, notes that he had ordered a new Barnett Kevlar clutch pack & Barnett 25% stronger diaphragm spring for his 2004 1200C Sportster. The pictures below are from that thread: ((https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/153224-clutch-feeling-odd/page15?postcount=219#post3324751 - Grind))
 These are the instructions that came with the kit:\\
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 Below are a list of upgrade versions. The 'xx% stronger' are claimed values by the respective vendors.
-Energy One suggests that if you are using a diaphragm spring of +25% that you should also upgrade your pressure plate to a billet version because they have had issues with the stock cast pressure plate cracking. ((cjburr at http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=666722))
+Energy One suggests that if you are using a diaphragm spring of +25% that you should also upgrade your pressure plate to a billet version because they have had issues with the stock cast pressure plate cracking. ((cjburr at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/29955-06-clutch-install/page2#post661195))
 **L1984-90 Sportster**
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   * MT-112-6 - - 420lbs (six springs)
   * MT-113-6 - - 480lbs (six springs)
-These springs can be mixed such as: ((AB,Frank http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1799188))
+These springs can be mixed such as: ((AB,Frank https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/167512-primary-rattle-noises-wtf-now?t=1799188))
   * 3x MT-18 plus 3x MT-112 = 384 lbs
   * 3x MT-18 plus 3x MT-113 = 414 lbs
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 | E1 Claims 400lbs is the max pressure version they make. As shown below,\\ the AIM 480lbs version & the E1 400lbs version may be the same product. |
-{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:aim-480-equals-e1-400-diaspring-ericz.jpg?400|}} ((Pics by EricZ at http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4341497&postcount=87))
+{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:aim-480-equals-e1-400-diaspring-ericz.jpg?400|}} ((Pics by EricZ at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/buell-motorcycle-forum/buell-motorcycle-project/145267-turbo-xb-up-and-running/page6?postcount=87#post3158846))
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 These are the XLForum threads related to this alternative: (Thanks to Bluto for pioneering this alternative):
-http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2044017\\
+https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/191597-barnett-extra-plate-kevlar-kit?t=2044017\\
-http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072418\\
+https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/195972-grenade-plate-fix-with-xr1200-parts?t=2072418\\
-http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2074994\\
+https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/198254-huge-cock-up-xr1200-clutch-mod?t=2074994\\
 Here's the pictures Bluto posted of the parts:
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 ====== Upgrade Clutch Release Bearing - HD P/N 8885 to 7200B Angular Ball Bearing ======
-You might consider replacing the stock bearing, P/N 8885, which is a standard ball type bearing (equiv. to 6200). Using an angular contact bearing, which provides additional support in the axial direction, is a better alternative for this application. The upgraded replacement would be FAG 7200B (not available from HD) and is an angular contact bearing. \\ [[https://www.famcocorp.com/uploads/product/Bearing/FAG/Angular-Contact/FAG-Angular-Contact-Bearings-Catalog.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Angular Contact Bearings Catalog. \\ [[https://www.rmbearings.co.uk/pictures/pdfs/FAG%20CAGE%20TYPES.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Rolling Bearing Cages Technical Information. \\
+You might consider replacing the stock bearing, P/N 8885, which is a standard ball type bearing (equiv. to 6200). Using an angular contact bearing, which provides additional support in the axial direction, is a better alternative for this application.
+{{:techtalk:evo:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-compare8885-7200b.jpg?400|}}  {{:techtalk:evo:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-destroyed8885.jpg?400|}}((Pics by goblin_dust at this thread: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/185780-clutch-woes?t=1987885 - Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum))
+The upgraded replacement would be FAG 7200B (not available from HD) and is an angular contact bearing. \\ [[https://www.famcocorp.com/uploads/product/Bearing/FAG/Angular-Contact/FAG-Angular-Contact-Bearings-Catalog.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Angular Contact Bearings Catalog. \\ [[https://www.rmbearings.co.uk/pictures/pdfs/FAG%20CAGE%20TYPES.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Rolling Bearing Cages Technical Information. \\
 {{ :techtalk:ref:priclutch:fag_polyamide_cage_svc_life_chart.png?direct&500|}}
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     * Longer grease operating life
-It is important to orient the bearing in the right direction when pressing the bearing into the Release Plate. Be sure to purchase the genuine FAG brand or another high quality bearing (as knockoff versions do not hold up).
+**Be sure to purchase the genuine FAG brand or another high quality bearing (as knockoff versions do not hold up).**
-The wide side of the 7200B outer bearing race should be placed into the release plate first. This also means that the narrow part of the inner bearing race is first into the plate.
+It is important to orient the bearing in the right direction when pressing the bearing into the Release Plate. Examine the side view of the bearing below and notice that there is a wide & narrow face to both the outer bearing race and the inner bearing race. They have a sort-of L-shape. They are oriented in opposing directions to create the axial support.
-When correctly assembled, the narrow part of the outer race and the wide part of the inner race will each be exposed on the insertion side of the release plate. The Adjustment Screw is inserted into that wide side of the inner race, as shown below.
+{{techtalk:ref:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-7200b-angular-install.jpg?400|}}((Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum))  {{techtalk:ref:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-7200b-angular.jpg?400|}}((Thanks to Reddtigger - https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/157723-clutch-squeal-bad-throwout-bearing?t=1688139))
-{{:techtalk:evo:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-compare8885-7200b.jpg?400|}}  {{:techtalk:evo:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-destroyed8885.jpg?400|}}((Pics by goblin_dust at this thread: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1987885 - Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum))
+When placing the bearing into the release plate, be sure the __wide side__ of the __OUTER bearing race__ is placed into the release plate first.\\
+In other words, that __wide side__ of the __OUTER bearing race__ presses against the inside lip of the release plate.
-{{techtalk:ref:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-7200b-angular.jpg?400|}}((Thanks to Reddtigger - xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1688139))  {{techtalk:ref:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-7200b-angular-bolt.jpg?400|}}((Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum))
+Now, when installing the Adjuster Screw into the bearing, be sure the head of the screw rests against __the wide side__ of the __INNER bearing race__. Refer to the side diagram above.
 Additional discussion:
-http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1688139
+https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/157723-clutch-squeal-bad-throwout-bearing?t=1688139
+XLForum member 'Bikervation' has created a [[https://youtu.be/7BFSrilNk5Q|utube video]] of replacing this bearing. In it he uses a 17mm & 30mm socket to remove the old bearing and a 22mm socket to install the new bearing. These are used for pressing, not as socket wrenches, during the procedure. You will benefit from viewing the actual process.
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 The typical retail price for the Muller Power Clutch is $180.
-{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:mullerpowerclutchrelease-vs-stock-gcram399.jpg?400|}}((Pic by Gram399 at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661362 Annotated by IXL2Relax))
+{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:mullerpowerclutchrelease-vs-stock-gcram399.jpg?400|}}((Pic by Gram399 at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/154758-primary-side-tear-down?t=1661362 Annotated by IXL2Relax))
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