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| brass rivets loosening over time. | brass rivets loosening over time. | ||
| - | | {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_ss_spring_plate.jpg?direct&300|}} ((Alto spring plate picture used by permission from Alto Products Corp.)) | \\ [[http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2074441|See this XLForum thread about using one]].\\ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ [[https://www.altousa.com/|Click here for the Alto website]]\\ \\ Click here to download a PDF of their\\ [[https://www.altousa.com/docs/catalogs Alto_Motorcycle_Catalog_19196.pdf|Complete Motorcycle Catalog]].\\ \\ Alto also offers two versions of the spring plate\\ with brass rivets: 095763 & 095763UP1 | | + | | {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_ss_spring_plate.jpg?direct&300|}} ((Alto spring plate picture used by permission from Alto Products Corp.)) | \\ [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/197759-grenade-plate?t=2074441|See this XLForum thread about using one]].\\ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ [[https://www.altousa.com/|Click here for the Alto website]]\\ \\ Click here to download a PDF of their\\ [[https://www.altousa.com/docs/catalogs Alto_Motorcycle_Catalog_19196.pdf|Complete Motorcycle Catalog]].\\ \\ Alto also offers two versions of the spring plate\\ with brass rivets: 095763 & 095763UP1 | |
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| ==== Pics of ALTO (095750BC) Installed ==== | ==== Pics of ALTO (095750BC) Installed ==== | ||
| - | Note that most plates are combination plates - steel on one side & fiber on the other side, then, the outermost one, which is fiber on both sides. ((rocketmangb of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2075976&page=2)) \\ | + | Note that most plates are combination plates - steel on one side & fiber on the other side, then, the outermost one, which is fiber on both sides. ((rocketmangb of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/199132-stacking-the-alto-carbonite-clutch/page2?t=2075976&page=2)) \\ |
| Install all the combo plates first (fiber side inward) and then the double-sided fiber plate placed in last (outermost). \\ | Install all the combo plates first (fiber side inward) and then the double-sided fiber plate placed in last (outermost). \\ | ||
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| {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_4_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_5_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_6_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ | {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_4_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_5_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:alto_carbonite_clutch_6_by_rocketmangb.jpg?direct&300|}} \\ | ||
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| ===== Energy One - Extra Plate Kit ===== | ===== Energy One - Extra Plate Kit ===== | ||
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| This kit includes 1 extra friction and steel plate to retain the OEM stack height. | This kit includes 1 extra friction and steel plate to retain the OEM stack height. | ||
| - | | Energy One BTX-11 ((photo by SarahColt of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4809249#post4809249)) | Soaking the plates in oil ((photo by chris_b_owens of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5072316)) | | + | | Energy One BTX-11 ((photo by SarahColt of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-general-discussion-and-problems/163701-sarah-needs-help-fixing-her-bike/page21#post3494568)) | Soaking the plates in oil ((photo by chris_b_owens of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-styles/cafe-racer-sportster-motorcycle-talk/170788-my-2013-iron-883-cafe-build/page30#post3698865)) | |
| |{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:energy_one_clutch_pack_by_sarahcolt.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:tools:soaking_new_cluch_plates_by_chris_b_owens.jpg?direct&300|}}| | |{{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:energy_one_clutch_pack_by_sarahcolt.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:tools:soaking_new_cluch_plates_by_chris_b_owens.jpg?direct&300|}}| | ||
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| ===== Barnett Kevlar Clutch Kit ===== | ===== Barnett Kevlar Clutch Kit ===== | ||
| - | In this section, Grind, from the XLForum.net, notes that he had ordered a new Barnett Kevlar clutch pack & Barnett 25% stronger diaphragm spring for his 2004 1200C Sportster. The pictures below are from that thread: ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4560023&postcount=219 - Grind)) | + | In this section, Grind, from the XLForum.net, notes that he had ordered a new Barnett Kevlar clutch pack & Barnett 25% stronger diaphragm spring for his 2004 1200C Sportster. The pictures below are from that thread: ((https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/153224-clutch-feeling-odd/page15?postcount=219#post3324751 - Grind)) |
| These are the instructions that came with the kit:\\ | These are the instructions that came with the kit:\\ | ||
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| Below are a list of upgrade versions. The 'xx% stronger' are claimed values by the respective vendors. | Below are a list of upgrade versions. The 'xx% stronger' are claimed values by the respective vendors. | ||
| - | Energy One suggests that if you are using a diaphragm spring of +25% that you should also upgrade your pressure plate to a billet version because they have had issues with the stock cast pressure plate cracking. ((cjburr at http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=666722)) | + | Energy One suggests that if you are using a diaphragm spring of +25% that you should also upgrade your pressure plate to a billet version because they have had issues with the stock cast pressure plate cracking. ((cjburr at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/29955-06-clutch-install/page2#post661195)) |
| **L1984-90 Sportster** | **L1984-90 Sportster** | ||
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| * MT-112-6 - - 420lbs (six springs) | * MT-112-6 - - 420lbs (six springs) | ||
| * MT-113-6 - - 480lbs (six springs) | * MT-113-6 - - 480lbs (six springs) | ||
| - | These springs can be mixed such as: ((AB,Frank http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1799188)) | + | These springs can be mixed such as: ((AB,Frank https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/167512-primary-rattle-noises-wtf-now?t=1799188)) |
| * 3x MT-18 plus 3x MT-112 = 384 lbs | * 3x MT-18 plus 3x MT-112 = 384 lbs | ||
| * 3x MT-18 plus 3x MT-113 = 414 lbs | * 3x MT-18 plus 3x MT-113 = 414 lbs | ||
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| | E1 Claims 400lbs is the max pressure version they make. As shown below,\\ the AIM 480lbs version & the E1 400lbs version may be the same product. | | | E1 Claims 400lbs is the max pressure version they make. As shown below,\\ the AIM 480lbs version & the E1 400lbs version may be the same product. | | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:aim-480-equals-e1-400-diaspring-ericz.jpg?400|}} ((Pics by EricZ at http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4341497&postcount=87)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:aim-480-equals-e1-400-diaspring-ericz.jpg?400|}} ((Pics by EricZ at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/buell-motorcycle-forum/buell-motorcycle-project/145267-turbo-xb-up-and-running/page6?postcount=87#post3158846)) |
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| These are the XLForum threads related to this alternative: (Thanks to Bluto for pioneering this alternative): | These are the XLForum threads related to this alternative: (Thanks to Bluto for pioneering this alternative): | ||
| - | http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2044017\\ | + | https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/191597-barnett-extra-plate-kevlar-kit?t=2044017\\ |
| - | http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072418\\ | + | https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/195972-grenade-plate-fix-with-xr1200-parts?t=2072418\\ |
| - | http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2074994\\ | + | https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/198254-huge-cock-up-xr1200-clutch-mod?t=2074994\\ |
| Here's the pictures Bluto posted of the parts: | Here's the pictures Bluto posted of the parts: | ||
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| You might consider replacing the stock bearing, P/N 8885, which is a standard ball type bearing (equiv. to 6200). Using an angular contact bearing, which provides additional support in the axial direction, is a better alternative for this application. | You might consider replacing the stock bearing, P/N 8885, which is a standard ball type bearing (equiv. to 6200). Using an angular contact bearing, which provides additional support in the axial direction, is a better alternative for this application. | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:evo:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-compare8885-7200b.jpg?400|}} {{:techtalk:evo:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-destroyed8885.jpg?400|}}((Pics by goblin_dust at this thread: http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1987885 - Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum)) | + | {{:techtalk:evo:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-compare8885-7200b.jpg?400|}} {{:techtalk:evo:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-destroyed8885.jpg?400|}}((Pics by goblin_dust at this thread: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/185780-clutch-woes?t=1987885 - Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum)) |
| The upgraded replacement would be FAG 7200B (not available from HD) and is an angular contact bearing. \\ [[https://www.famcocorp.com/uploads/product/Bearing/FAG/Angular-Contact/FAG-Angular-Contact-Bearings-Catalog.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Angular Contact Bearings Catalog. \\ [[https://www.rmbearings.co.uk/pictures/pdfs/FAG%20CAGE%20TYPES.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Rolling Bearing Cages Technical Information. \\ | The upgraded replacement would be FAG 7200B (not available from HD) and is an angular contact bearing. \\ [[https://www.famcocorp.com/uploads/product/Bearing/FAG/Angular-Contact/FAG-Angular-Contact-Bearings-Catalog.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Angular Contact Bearings Catalog. \\ [[https://www.rmbearings.co.uk/pictures/pdfs/FAG%20CAGE%20TYPES.pdf|Click this link to view the PDF]] for FAG Rolling Bearing Cages Technical Information. \\ | ||
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| It is important to orient the bearing in the right direction when pressing the bearing into the Release Plate. Examine the side view of the bearing below and notice that there is a wide & narrow face to both the outer bearing race and the inner bearing race. They have a sort-of L-shape. They are oriented in opposing directions to create the axial support. | It is important to orient the bearing in the right direction when pressing the bearing into the Release Plate. Examine the side view of the bearing below and notice that there is a wide & narrow face to both the outer bearing race and the inner bearing race. They have a sort-of L-shape. They are oriented in opposing directions to create the axial support. | ||
| - | {{techtalk:ref:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-7200b-angular-install.jpg?400|}}((Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum)) {{techtalk:ref:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-7200b-angular.jpg?400|}}((Thanks to Reddtigger - xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1688139)) | + | {{techtalk:ref:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-7200b-angular-install.jpg?400|}}((Annotated by IXL2Relax at the XLForum)) {{techtalk:ref:priclutch:clutchreleasebearing-7200b-angular.jpg?400|}}((Thanks to Reddtigger - https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/157723-clutch-squeal-bad-throwout-bearing?t=1688139)) |
| When placing the bearing into the release plate, be sure the __wide side__ of the __OUTER bearing race__ is placed into the release plate first.\\ | When placing the bearing into the release plate, be sure the __wide side__ of the __OUTER bearing race__ is placed into the release plate first.\\ | ||
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| Additional discussion: | Additional discussion: | ||
| - | http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1688139 | + | https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/157723-clutch-squeal-bad-throwout-bearing?t=1688139 |
| XLForum member 'Bikervation' has created a [[https://youtu.be/7BFSrilNk5Q|utube video]] of replacing this bearing. In it he uses a 17mm & 30mm socket to remove the old bearing and a 22mm socket to install the new bearing. Thease are used as presses, not socket wrenches during the procedure. You will benefit from viewing the actual process. | XLForum member 'Bikervation' has created a [[https://youtu.be/7BFSrilNk5Q|utube video]] of replacing this bearing. In it he uses a 17mm & 30mm socket to remove the old bearing and a 22mm socket to install the new bearing. Thease are used as presses, not socket wrenches during the procedure. You will benefit from viewing the actual process. | ||
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| The typical retail price for the Muller Power Clutch is $180. | The typical retail price for the Muller Power Clutch is $180. | ||
| - | {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:mullerpowerclutchrelease-vs-stock-gcram399.jpg?400|}}((Pic by Gram399 at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1661362 Annotated by IXL2Relax)) | + | {{:techtalk:ref:priclutch:mullerpowerclutchrelease-vs-stock-gcram399.jpg?400|}}((Pic by Gram399 at https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-drivetrain/sportster-motorcycle-transmission-clutch-primary-secondary-drive/154758-primary-side-tear-down?t=1661362 Annotated by IXL2Relax)) |
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