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- | ====== REF: Body Parts - Sub-01C ====== | + | ====== REF: Body Parts - Sub-30C ====== |
====== 1986 to 2003 forward controls modified to fit a 1980 frame ====== | ====== 1986 to 2003 forward controls modified to fit a 1980 frame ====== | ||
- | Article by IronMick of the XLFORUM® ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2726344#post2726344)) \\ | + | Article by IronMick of the XLFORUM® ((https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/99656-forward-controls-85xlh1000#post2068972)) \\ |
In the event that you cannot find forward controls specifically for your year model, you can find something that you can modify to work. \\ | In the event that you cannot find forward controls specifically for your year model, you can find something that you can modify to work. \\ | ||
However, working well can be a challenge. \\ | However, working well can be a challenge. \\ | ||
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Shift side should be no problem. Brake side would require some work. | Shift side should be no problem. Brake side would require some work. | ||
- | <blockquote>When I looked at an 86 to 03 custom Sportster it occurred to me that I could make the forwards work on my 1980. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997)) \\ | + | <blockquote>When I looked at an 86 to 03 custom Sportster it occurred to me that I could make the forwards work on my 1980. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997)) \\ |
It was looking at the brake side that convinced me - the way they fit between the case and the exhaust. \\ | It was looking at the brake side that convinced me - the way they fit between the case and the exhaust. \\ | ||
(and the similar rear brake master cylinder) \\ | (and the similar rear brake master cylinder) \\ | ||
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- | |Re-locating the left peg position, see red circle ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2726344#post2726344)) ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997))|Right side Assembly ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2726344#post2726344)) ((http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997))| | + | |Left side assembly ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM® https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997))|Right side Assembly ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM® https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997))| |
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* E-clip | * E-clip | ||
- | | Motor mounts and parts. ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997)) || | + | | Motor mounts and parts. ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997)) || |
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+ | Template for lower front motor mount hole to be drilled: \\ | ||
+ | {{:techtalk:ref:body:forward_mods_25_by_ironmick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((drawing by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997)) | ||
<blockquote>To restore the strength lost by drilling the hole, the largest 1" ID steel washer that would not be too large OD was used. \\ | <blockquote>To restore the strength lost by drilling the hole, the largest 1" ID steel washer that would not be too large OD was used. \\ | ||
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It might be a good idea to fabricate a mount from thick cardboard, cut the hole, and check to see if it is good. \\ | It might be a good idea to fabricate a mount from thick cardboard, cut the hole, and check to see if it is good. \\ | ||
- | |Right side spacer (partly hidden by oil line) ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997))|Right side nut and E-clip ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997))| | + | |Right side spacer (partly hidden by oil line) ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997))|Right side nut and E-clip ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997))| |
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And it would allow a close fit of the E-clip. More precision measuring. \\ | And it would allow a close fit of the E-clip. More precision measuring. \\ | ||
- | | Left side nut and E-clip. ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997)) || | + | | Left side nut and E-clip. ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997)) || |
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The shift lever that came with the kit was not usable here. \\ | The shift lever that came with the kit was not usable here. \\ | ||
So, some length was trimmed and the hole drilled from a 1998 Sportster lever. \\ | So, some length was trimmed and the hole drilled from a 1998 Sportster lever. \\ | ||
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The 1980 rear brake master cylinder does not have a mechanism to hold the brake rod in. \\ | The 1980 rear brake master cylinder does not have a mechanism to hold the brake rod in. \\ | ||
So the brake rod just falls out. \\ | So the brake rod just falls out. \\ | ||
With mid-controls this is prevented by the brake stop. \\ | With mid-controls this is prevented by the brake stop. \\ | ||
To solve this a hose clamp was attach to a 3/4" length of 1/2" copper pipe to the front exhaust pipe as a band-aid. \\ | To solve this a hose clamp was attach to a 3/4" length of 1/2" copper pipe to the front exhaust pipe as a band-aid. \\ | ||
- | Later on, a newer style rear brake master cylinder replaced the '80 version to eliminate this band-aid. \\ | ||
The big hole in the brake stop below goes over the footpeg stud and the adjustable screw sets the foot pedal height. \\ | The big hole in the brake stop below goes over the footpeg stud and the adjustable screw sets the foot pedal height. \\ | ||
+ | There is no part number for the brake stop as HD never made them as a separate part. \\ | ||
+ | They were a welded-on part of the muffler. \\ | ||
+ | You can / could order them from the Cycle Shack website. \\ | ||
- | | Rear Brake Stop for mid-controls. ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997)) || | + | | Rear Brake Stop for mid-controls. ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997)) || |
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- | |Brake stop band-aid. ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997)) |Newer rear brake master cylinder. ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=717997))| | ||
+ | A better idea might be to use a later model rear brake master cylinder. \\ | ||
+ | It has a different design which holds the brake rod in with a snap ring (circlip). \\ | ||
+ | It also is easier to repair as it uses a one-piece kit. There have been lots of these on eBay in the past. | ||
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+ | With 86 to 03 forwards, the master cylinder stays in the stock location on the sprocket cover. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/93684-just-a-update-on-my-79-project-opinion-poll-pics/page2?highlight=forwards#post2167215)) \\ | ||
The M/C pic below was taken before realizing that the fluted connection would not work. \\ | The M/C pic below was taken before realizing that the fluted connection would not work. \\ | ||
- | Later a brake line was fabricated with a banjo fitting for this. \\ | + | Later a brake line was fabricated with a banjo fitting for this. ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997)) \\ |
+ | |Brake stop band-aid. ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997)) |Newer rear brake master cylinder. ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/89445-86-to-03-hd-forward-controls-modified-to-fit-1980?t=717997))| | ||
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- | | Left side shift lever ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2726344#post2726344)) || | ||
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- | | Left side shifter pedal. ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2726344#post2726344)) || Brake pedal. ((photo by IronMick of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2726344#post2726344)) | | ||
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- | |Brake side mods ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2726344#post2726344))|| | ||
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- | |Pedal ends ((photos by IronMick of the XLFORUM® http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2726344#post2726344))|| | ||
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