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-From Moon Wolf on modifications. ((Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1674349)) \\
+From Moon Wolf on modifications. ((Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/156402-how-to-fix-seat-mounting-ears?t=1674349)) \\
 Modifications were very common (on these bikes). I would guess about half the frames you run across have the ears cut off. \\
 In the sixties and seventies, everyone was running chopper seats and the ears got in the way of the flat look we were after, so we hacked them off (sorry). \\
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 ====== General Information ======
 ===== Frame Interchange =====
+-1976 frames will interchange. Short frame was 52-66 all and 67-69 CH. Long frames were the other years / models. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/148782-animal-mother-reigns/page3?t=1615459&page=3)) \\
--1976 frames will interchange. Short frame was 52-66 all and 67-69 CH. Long frames were the other years / models. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1615459&page=3)) \\
 To change from (long or short) frame you need: frame, swing arm (also long or short. It's the swing arm that varies the wheel base), driver peg supports. \\
 Using the short frame with hump (long fame) motors will require some kind of solution of side stand contacting primary drain plug and boss. \\
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 This is a quote from Moon Wolf regarding short frames: \\
-<blockquote>The XLH and XLCH frame are essentially the same frame thru 1966. ((Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1951365&page=2)) \\
+<blockquote>The XLH and XLCH frame are essentially the same frame thru 1966. ((Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/181280-60s-sportster-frame-identification/page2?t=1951365&page=2)) \\
 The XLH has some extra mounts but you could make an convincing CH frame out of one of them quite easily. \\
 The "dogleg" H or "long" frame debuts in 67, and provides additional room for the electric start apparatus, which also debuts that year along with the one inch longer swingarm. \\
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-  *L1973-1976 frames were sold for replacement for 67-72 XLH and 70-72 XLCH using Frame Adapter Kit (47385-75). \\ The kit includes:
+  * L1973-1976 frames were sold for replacement for 67-72 XLH and 70-72 XLCH using Frame Adapter Kit (47385-75). \\ The kit includes:
     * Frame (47014-73), has no provisions for the solo plunger seat or springs.
     * Ignition switch bracket (47386-75) for use with pre-72 models without one.
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 There was a also a kit (47420-74) to adapt it to the L73-up model frame via a recall. \\
 [[techtalk:ih:body01g#l973_xl_xlch_frame_reinforcement_tail_lamp_mod|Click Here]] to see more on this kit in the Sportsterpedia. \\
 Click on any pic below to enlarge: \\
-===== Seat Mount =====
+===== Seat Casting =====
+The same seat casting was used from 1957-1964 on XL, XLH, XLC and XLCH models. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM)) \\
+Likewise the 65 seat casting was used from 1965-1966 XLH and 1965-1969 XLCH. \\
+This version has the flat boss on the right side underneath for 65-66 XLH coil and 65 (only) regulator mounts. \\
+In 1966, an angled bracket was welded underneath (XLCH models only) to support the 66-up XLCH lunchbox oil tank. \\
+Both casting versions have 2 bossed holes under the right side for the 57-66 XLH "kidney" oil tank. \\
+Casting number underneath (47658-52) on both versions. \\
+|  57-64 XL, XLH,XLC, XLCH Style Seat Casting ((photo by Bigport of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/181280-60s-sportster-frame-identification?t=1951365))  |  65-66 XLH and 65-69 XLCH Style Seat Casting ((photo by Bigport of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/181280-60s-sportster-frame-identification?t=1951365))  |
+|{{:techtalk:ih:body:seat_casting_-_sportster_57-64_xl-xlh-xlc-xlch_by_bigport.jpg?direct&300|}}| {{:techtalk:ih:body:seat_casting_-_sportster_65-66_h_65-69_ch_by_bigport.jpg?direct&300|}}|
+**Seat Mounting Ears**: \\
 The distance between the seat mounting ears is 1-5/8". The inside of the ears line up with the outside of the main tube. \\
-The bottom of the ears line up exactly with the seat casting. Measuring from the end of the main tube to the tip of the ears is 7-5/8". ((Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1674349&page=3)) \\
+The bottom of the ears line up exactly with the seat casting. Measuring from the end of the main tube to the tip of the ears is 7-5/8". ((Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/156402-how-to-fix-seat-mounting-ears/page3?t=1674349&page=3)) \\
 V-twin sells the ears prefabbed. \\
-The 'bottom' hole on the seat casting is for the rear mount of a 'turtle tank' or any of the large capacity K model/XL/XLH fuel tanks going back to 1952. ((Magneto Sportster of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1674349&page=3)) \\
+The 'bottom' hole on the seat casting is for the rear mount of a 'turtle tank' or any of the large capacity K model/XL/XLH fuel tanks going back to 1952. ((Magneto Sportster of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/156402-how-to-fix-seat-mounting-ears/page3?t=1674349&page=3)) \\
-{{:techtalk:ih:body:1962_xlh_seat_casting_pic1_by_moon_wolf.jpg?direct&300|}}  ((photo by Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1674349&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1962_xlh_seat_casting_pic2_by_moon_wolf.jpg?direct&300|}}  ((photo by Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1674349&page=3)) \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:body:1962_xlh_seat_casting_pic1_by_moon_wolf.jpg?direct&300|}}  ((photo by Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/156402-how-to-fix-seat-mounting-ears/page3?t=1674349&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1962_xlh_seat_casting_pic2_by_moon_wolf.jpg?direct&300|}}  ((photo by Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/156402-how-to-fix-seat-mounting-ears/page3?t=1674349&page=3)) \\
-{{:techtalk:ih:body:1962_xlh_seat_casting_pic3_by_moon_wolf.jpg?direct&300|}}  ((photo by Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1674349&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1962_xlh_seat_casting_pic4_by_moon_wolf.jpg?direct&300|}}  ((photo by Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1674349&page=3)) \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:body:1962_xlh_seat_casting_pic3_by_moon_wolf.jpg?direct&300|}}  ((photo by Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/156402-how-to-fix-seat-mounting-ears/page3?t=1674349&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1962_xlh_seat_casting_pic4_by_moon_wolf.jpg?direct&300|}}  ((photo by Moon Wolf of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/156402-how-to-fix-seat-mounting-ears/page3?t=1674349&page=3)) \\
 ===== Jiffy Stand Bracket =====
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   * The XLH had the large gas tank and there is a hole under the seat casting below the seat perch for mounting the gas tank bracket. \\ The backbone for these year XLH models did not have any holes in the backbone for mounting a gas tank. \\ Any holes found drilled into the backbone would normally have been done by the owner and not sleeved. \\ XLCH had a factory hole drilled and "sleeved" for the gas tank mount. \\
-{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1964_xlh_kidney_oil_tank_pic5_by_magneto_sportster.jpg?direct&400|}} ((photo by Magneto Sportster of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2075542&page=4)) \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:oil:1964_xlh_kidney_oil_tank_pic5_by_magneto_sportster.jpg?direct&400|}} ((photo by Magneto Sportster of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/198705-magneto-sportster-s-1964-xlh-restoration-project/page4?t=2075542&page=4)) \\
 ===== 1965-1966 XLH =====
 There were two frame part numbers in the parts books (1965: 47014-65, 1966: 47014-56A). \\
 The -56A frame was sold as a replacement frame for 56 KH and 57-65 XL/XLH models (so it fits 56-66 models without further modifications). \\
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 ===== 1958-1964 XLC / XLCH =====
 The 1958 XLC was a one year only bike and shared the same frame as the 58-65 XLCH part# (47014-58). \\
 With no battery or need for bracketry otherwise, the seat posts are both bare with no brackets welded to them at all. \\
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 {{:techtalk:ih:body:1958-1964_xlch_pic5_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1958-1964_xlch_pic6_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1958-1964_xlch_pic8_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:body:1958-1964_xlch_pic9_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&250|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1958-1964_xlch_pic10_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&250|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1958-1964_xlch_pic12_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&350|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) \\
 ===== 1965 XLCH =====
 The 65 frame part# is (47014-58), same part number as previous year XLCH models. \\
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 {{:techtalk:ih:body:1965-1969_xlch_pic1_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&400|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1965-1969_xlch_pic2_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&400|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) \\
+{{:techtalk:ih:body:1965-1969_xlch_pic6_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1965-1969_xlch_pic7_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) \\
 {{:techtalk:ih:body:1965-1969_xlch_pic3_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1965-1969_xlch_pic4_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ih:body:1965-1969_xlch_pic5_by_akchopper.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by akchopper of the XLFORUM)) \\
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 Frame part #s: 1966-1967 XLCH (47014-66), 1968-1969 XLCH (47014-66A).
   * 1966-1969 XLCH used the same seat casting as the 65 CH with the flat boss under the right side but the that spot wasn't used any longer on XLCH models. \\ The boss is still there but the holes were reportedly not tapped. The voltage regulator was moved to the left seat post. \\
-  * There are 2 bosses welded to the rear of the left seat post for mounting the voltage regulator.
+  * (66-69) There are 2 bosses welded to the rear of the left seat post for mounting the voltage regulator.
   * The right seat post remained bare (no brackets required). \\
-  * In 1967, the MoCo added a two point wiring terminal on XLH and XLCH as a splice block for the tail light wiring. \\ On 67-69 XLCH, the plastic terminal is attached to a boss on the left seat post below the voltage regulator with 2 screws.
+  * In 1967, the MoCo added a two point wiring terminal (71561-67), used on 67-69 XLH and XLCH, as a splice block for the tail light wiring. \\ On 67-69 XLCH, the plastic terminal is attached to a boss on the left seat post below the voltage regulator with 2 screws.
   * 1966 was the first year of the "lunchbox" oil tank. \\ An angle bracket was welded under the seat casting as the top oil tank bracket with the internal angle facing the front. \\ The bracket being factory welded, there was no replacement bracket listed in the parts books. \\

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