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- | ==== Transmission Oil Capacities ==== | + | ==== Transmission |
- | |1959-1991 ((1959-1969 HD Sportster FSM pg 1A-3)) ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-1)) ((1979-1985 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1)) ((1986-1990 | + | |1957-1990 ((1959-1969 HD Sportster FSM pg 1A-3)) ((1970-1978 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-1)) ((1979-1985 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1)) ((1986-1990 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1)) |1.5 pints (24 oz) (710 ml)| |
- | |1991-1992 ((1991-1992 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))|40 ounces (1183 ml)| | + | |1991-1992 ((1991-1992 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1)) |40 ounces (1183 ml)| |
- | |1993-1994, 1998, 2004 ((1993-1994 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1)) ((1998 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1)) ((2004 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))|32 oz (946 ml)| | + | |1993-1996, 1998, 2004 ((1993-1994 |
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+ | * Discrepancy in the 1991 FSM. It shows 1.5 pints of oil for primary / transmission.((1991 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1)) 1991-1992 FSM corrected the 1991 book showing 40 oz for both years.((1991-1992 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1)) | ||
+ | * Note that for 1994-later, the manual says " | ||
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|1986-2003 ((1986-1990 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-2)) ((1991-1992 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-2))((1993-1994 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-2))|After first 3,000 miles, \\ Every 2,500 miles after oil changes|After first 500 miles \\ Every 5,000 miles after| | |1986-2003 ((1986-1990 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-2)) ((1991-1992 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-2))((1993-1994 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-2))|After first 3,000 miles, \\ Every 2,500 miles after oil changes|After first 500 miles \\ Every 5,000 miles after| | ||
|2004 ((2004 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-7))| | |2004 ((2004 HD Sportster FSM pg 1-7))| | ||
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- | ====== Fork Oil ======= | ||
- | ===== HD Recommendations ===== | ||
- | * The MoCo specifies HD Type B or E (and respective equivalents) fork oil depending on year model. | ||
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- | ^Year Model^Fork Oil Type^Fork Oil Amount (Wet)^Fork Oil Amount (Dry)^^^ | ||
- | |**1959-1967 all models**|HD Type " | ||
- | ^1968-1969 all models^HD Type " | ||
- | |**1970-1972 all models**|HD Type " | ||
- | ^1972-1978 XR-750^ | ||
- | |**1980 XR-750**| | ||
- | ^1973-1978^HD Type " | ||
- | |**1979-1983 all models**|HD Type " | ||
- | ^1984-1987 all models^HD Type " | ||
- | |**1988-1994, | ||
- | ^1992-1998 883 Hugger ((Haynes Service Manual for Sportsters 1970-2010 pg 1.3))^HD Type " | ||
- | |**Year Model** |**Fork Oil Type**| | ||
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- | ^2005-2006 all models (except 883L) (( Thanks to IXL2Relax for FSM info)) ((2005 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))((2006 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^11.6^342 ((2005 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))((2006 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))^5.75^146((2005 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))((2006 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))| | ||
- | |**2005-2006 883L** ((2005 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))((2006 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))|HD Type “E” (99884-80)|12.3 ((2005 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))(( Thanks to IXL2Relax for FSM info))((2006 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))|364 ((2005 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))((2006 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))|4.80 ((2005 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))((2006 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))|122 ((2005 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))((2006 HD Sportster FSM pg 2-1))| | ||
- | ^2008 all models (except 883L, 1200L, 1200N)^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^11.6^342^5.75^146^ | ||
- | |2008 883L, 1200L, 1200N|HD Type “E” (99884-80)|12.3|3.64|4.80|122| | ||
- | ^2009 all models (except 883L, 1200L, 1200N)^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^11.6^342^5.75^146^ | ||
- | |2009 883L, 1200N|HD Type “E” (99884-80)|13.6|401|3.11|79| | ||
- | ^2009 1200L^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^12.3^364^4.80^122^ | ||
- | |2010 all models (except 883L, 883N, 1200N)|HD Type “E” (99884-80)|||5.75|146| | ||
- | ^2010 883L, 883N, 1200N^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^^^3.11^79^ | ||
- | |2010 1200L|HD Type “E” (99884-80)|||4.80|122| | ||
- | ^2013 883L^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^12.3^364^4.80^122^ | ||
- | |2013 883N|HD Type “E” (99884-80)|13.6|401|3.11|79| | ||
- | ^2013 883R^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^12.4^366^4.92^125^ | ||
- | |2013 1200V|HD Type “E” (99884-80)|12.4|366|4.92|125| | ||
- | ^2013 1200C, C Aniv, CP, CA, CB^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^12.4^366^4.72^120^ | ||
- | |2013 1200X|HD Type “E” (99884-80)|11.4|337|6.34|161| | ||
- | ^ ^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^ | ||
- | | |HD Type “E” (99884-80)| | ||
- | ^ ^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^ | ||
- | | |HD Type “E” (99884-80)| | ||
- | ^ ^HD Type “E” (99884-80)^ | ||
- | | |HD Type “E” (99884-80)| | ||
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- | * HD doesn' | ||
- | * HD has, however, confirmed that type B (0-10W) fork oil is lighter than Type E (5-20). ((Q&A question 1 http:// | ||
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- | * If you want to use aftermarket fork oil besides the HD brand, it's best to start with an oil weight that has been proven to work in most general situations. The general preferred weight of fork oil is 15(W) on the XLFORUM in whatever flavor you like. So, start by using 15(W) oil as noted and test it yourself. Depending on your weight, the bike's weight including add-ons and baggage, shocks and etc., you might swap to a lower weight fork oil for softer or a heavier weight fork oil for stiffer fork action. | ||
- | * A lubricant' | ||
- | * Below is a sample list of alternative fork oils and their published viscosities. Some aftermarket brands include the words "Type E" or "Type B" on their label. Some may say that's to make you feel like your getting the same quality or " | ||
- | * Most of the data came from SDS or TDS as noted but that can be misleading also. SDS says one viscosity, TDS says something different, SDS viscosity weights obviously reversed (typo), some TDS sheets look to be a cross or makeshift average between a brand' | ||
- | * Somewhere in some of the oil SDS data you'll find phrases like "The data presented herein is based upon tests and information, | ||
- | * So viscosity really is a 'buyer beware' | ||
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- | ==== Fork Oil Viscosity Chart ==== | ||
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- | ^ Fork Oil^ Nominal^ Viscosity cSt^ Viscosity cSt^ Viscosity^ Visual^ | ||
- | ^ Brand^ Viscosity^ @ 40°C (104°F)^ @ 100°C (212°F)^ Index^ Color^ | ||
- | |Maxima((Maxima fork oil http:// | ||
- | | | 10wt| 37.4| 7.72| 182| Clear | | ||
- | | | 15wt| 47.1| 8.49| 151| Clear | | ||
- | | | 20wt| 71.1| 11.28| 151| Clear | | ||
- | ^Lucas Oil (synth)^ 5wt^ 25.34^ 5.5^ 148^ Blue- Green | | ||
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- | ^ ^ 15wt^ 49.2^ 8.6^ 154^ Blue- Green | | ||
- | ^ ^ 20wt^ 77.5^ 12.4^ 161^ Blue- Green | | ||
- | |Red Line ((Red line 10wt http:// | ||
- | | | 2.5wt| 8.96| 4.16| 507| Light Blue | | ||
- | | | 5wt| 15.87| 7.35| 512| Yellow tint | | ||
- | | | 10wt| 31.66| 13.42| 438| Light Red | | ||
- | | | 30wt| 69| 17.5| 275| Orange tint | | ||
- | ^Belray ((Belray http:// | ||
- | ^ ^ 7wt ^ 29.3 ^ 5.5 ^ ^ ^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 10wt^ 36^ 6.6^ ^ ^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 15wt^ 52.9^ 8^ ^ ^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 20wt^ 77.1^ 10^ ^ ^ | ||
- | ^ ^30wt^ 115.3^ 13.1^ ^ ^ | ||
- | |Amsoil Susp. Fluid ((Amsoil Light 5 https:// | ||
- | | | Med #10| 31.8| 7.3| 206| Blue | | ||
- | ^Motul ((Motul fork oil https:// | ||
- | ^ ^ 10wt^ 36.2^ 6.1^ 115^ ^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 15wt^ 57.2^ 8.4^ 119^ ^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 20wt^ 79.5^ 10.1^ 106^ ^ | ||
- | |Motorex Racing Fork Oil ((Motorex racing | ||
- | | | 5wt| 22.6| 5.6| 205| | | ||
- | | | 7.5wt| 35.9| 7.7| 192| | | ||
- | | | 10wt| | ||
- | |Motorex FORK Oil ((Motorex FORK Oil http:// | ||
- | ^Castrol Fork Oil (petro)(([[http:// | ||
- | ^ ^ 10wt^ 32^ 6.3^ 150^ Red^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 15wt^ 46^ ^ ^ Red ^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 20wt^ 68^ 8.6^ ^ Red ^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 32^ 32^ 5.6^ ^ Light Yellow ^ | ||
- | ^Castrol Fork Oil (synth) (([[http:// | ||
- | ^ ^ 5wt^ 28.1^ 5.7^ ^ Red ^ | ||
- | ^ ^ 10wt^ 42^ 7.5^ 150^ Red ^ | ||
- | |Spectro fork oil ((Spectro fork oils http:// | ||
- | | | 10wt| 33.3| | | | | ||
- | | | 15wt| 47.2| | | | | ||
- | | | 20wt| 72.7| | | | | ||
- | |Spectro Golden Cartridge ((Spektro Golden Cartridge | ||
- | | | 7.5wt| 26| 4.5| 150 | | | ||
- | |Spectro Platinum SX400 (([[http:// | ||
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- | PJ1 Fork Oil (petrol)((http:// | ||
- | Says they are all of High Viscosity Index and Light Red in color. No viscosity weights are published however even in SDS. As a matter of fact PJ1 has the same SDS data sheet (for and that includes) 6 different weights although they publish that they have 8 different weights. Meets or exceeds OEM is published | ||
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- | ====== Brake System ====== | ||
- | * Brake caliper mounting bolt O-rings- Dow Corning 44 grease ("Pin Lube" in parts kit) ((1998 HD XLH FSM)) | ||
- | * O.D. of brake caliper piston (including chamfer), caliper piston bore and I.D. of the installed piston seal - Novaguard silicon grease. | ||
- | * I.D. of upper caliper (threaded) bushing bore, O.D. of threaded bushing, I.D. of upper and lower caliper mounting pin bores - Dow Corning 44 grease ("Pin Lube" in parts kit) ((1998 HD XLH FSM)) | ||
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- | ===== Brake Fluid ===== | ||
- | ==== HD Recommendations ==== | ||
- | ^Year Model^Hydraulic brake fluid Type^ | ||
- | |1959 to prior to Sept. 1976 production models|DOT 3((Clymer Repair Manual for Sportsters 1959-1985 pg 83))| | ||
- | |Sept. 1976 to 2006|DOT 5 (99902-77)((1986-1990 HD Sportster FSM)) ((Clymer Repair Manual for Sportsters 1959-1985 pg 83))| | ||
- | |2007 and later|DOT 4 ((http:// | ||
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- | ==== When to Check or Change Brake Fluid ==== | ||
- | ^Year Model^Check^Change^ | ||
- | |1959-1969| | ||
- | |1970-1978((1959-1969 Clymer Sportster Repair Manual))|Every 2,000 miles|Every 5,000 miles| | ||
- | |1979-1985((1959-1969 Clymer Sportster Repair Manual))|Initial 500, then every 2,500 miles|Every 2 years| | ||
- | |1986-1990((1986-1990 HD Sportster FSM))|Check at initial 500 then every 5,000 miles, prior to storage or annually|Change/ | ||
- | |1991 to 2003((1986-2003 Clymer Sportster Repair Manual))|Every 300 til and including initial 1,000 miles, then every 5,000 miles|Replace as needed| | ||
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- | ==== What Type Brake Fluid Do You Have ==== | ||
- | When in doubt, | ||
- | * 1st check your bikes service manual to see what should go in it. | ||
- | * Next, get a few drops of brake fluid from your brake reservoir and put them in a small container. Add a few drops of water and mix it all together. | ||
- | * If the water mixes with the brake fluid, it is DOT 3, 4 or (5.1). | ||
- | * If the water does not mix with the brake fluid it is DOT 5. ((http:// | ||
- | == The Color Check == | ||
- | * DOT 3 is available in Clear, Pale Yellow, Blue & Crimson Red. | ||
- | * DOT 4 is available in Clear, Pale Yellow & Crimson Red. | ||
- | * DOT 5.1 is available Clear, Pale Yellow & Blue. | ||
- | * DOT 5 is available in Purple & Violet. | ||
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- | The presence or absence of color is not a safe criteria to distinguish between the different types of brake fluids. The color is added in brake fluid to detect leaks and color does not effect the quality of brake fluid. Since blue and purple sometimes can seem the same color depending on lighting, you could be mixing Dot 5 and DOT (5.1). | ||
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- | ==== Mixing Brake Fluids ==== | ||
- | * Mixing different colors of the same type typically won't hurt the system as long as what you are adding to has not been compromised previously if your just topping off your existing fluid. | ||
- | * You can typically mix DOT 3,4 and 5.1 fluids without damaging your braking system or compromising your existing braking performance. But as nearly every brake fluid manufacturer will state: doing so is not recommended. Why? Mixing good new fluid and old bad fluid means you will retain the bad fluid' | ||
- | * If silicone is introduced into an older brake system, the silicone will latch onto the sludge generated by gradual component deterioration and create a gelatin like goop which will attract more crud and eventually plug up metering orifices or cause pistons to stick. If you have already changed to DOT 5, don't compound the problem and change back. You will never get all of the silicone out of your system. Just change the fluid regularly. For those who race using silicone fluid, crack the bleed screws before each racing session to insure that there is no water in the calipers. ((http:// | ||
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- | ==== DOT 3, DOT 4, DOT 5.1 ==== | ||
- | * DOT 3 brake fluids are mixtures of glycols and glycol ethers. DOT 4 contains borate esters in addition to what is in DOT 3. These brake fluids are somewhat similar to automotive anti-freeze (ethylene glycol) and are not a petroleum fluid. Both DOT 3-4 and DOT 5 fluids are compatible with most brake system materials except in the case of some silicone rubber external components such as caliper piston boots ((http:// | ||
- | * The problem with DOT 3-4 fluids is water absorption. DOT 3-4 glycol based fluids, just like ethylene glycol antifreezes, | ||
- | * Fluid boiling point DOT 4 glycol based fluid has a higher boiling point (446F) than DOT 3 (401F), and both fluids will exhibit a reduced boiling point as water content increases.((http:// | ||
- | * DOT 5.1 is also glycol-based and it's major difference to Dot 3 and 4 is it's dry boiling point (minimum 518F). | ||
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- | ==== DOT 5 ==== | ||
- | * Dot 5 is of silicone chemistry and not being water miscible, it must rely on the silicone (with some corrosion inhibitors) as a barrier film to control corrosion. Water is not absorbed by silicone as in the case of DOT 3-4-5.1 fluids, and will remain as a separate globule sinking to the lowest point in the brake system, since it is more dense. ((http:// | ||
- | * Dot 5 in its pure state offers a higher boiling point (500F) however if water got into the system, and a big globule found its way into a caliper, the water would start to boil at 212F causing a vapor lock condition (possible brake failure). DOT 3 fluid with 3% water content would still exhibit a boiling point of 300F. Silicone fluids also exhibit a 3 times greater propensity to dissolve air and other gasses which can lead to a " | ||
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- | ==== Brake Fluid Boiling Points ==== | ||
- | *Dry Boiling Point: This is the temperature that your brake fluid will boil when its straight out of the sealed bottle. When there has been effectively no time for it to absorb any moisture. If you are racing on a track, you are most concerned with this value, since the fluid in your lines is likely to be freshly added. ((https:// | ||
- | *Wet Boiling Point: This is the temperature that your brake fluid will boil when its been inside your braking system for a reasonably long time. How long it takes to get to this saturation point will vary by fluid type, but a good rule of thumb is the higher the dry boiling point, the faster the fluid will saturate (an informal sort of standard is...not always - used by fluid manufacturers: | ||
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- | ==== SAE Testing Brake Fluid Lubricity ==== | ||
- | * SAE is currently working on modernizing testing and standards for automotive brake fluids. Below are the standards that relate to brake fluid and their corresponding standard number. | ||
- | * J1703- Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid Jul 20, 2015 | ||
- | * J1704- Motor Vehicle Brake Fluid Based Upon Glycols, Glycol Ethers and the Corresponding Borates Jul 20, 2015 | ||
- | * J1705- Low Water Tolerant Brake Fluids Apr 21, 2014 | ||
- | * J1707- Service Maintenance of SAE J1703 and J1704 Brake Fluids in Motor Vehicle Brake Systems | ||
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- | ==== Link to Brake Fluid Comparison Charts on the Webb ==== | ||
- | * ((article by Matt Robertson))[[https:// | ||
- | * ((Seine Systems))[[http:// | ||
- | * ((article by Marc Randolph ))[[http:// | ||
- | * Interesting amateur test on mixing brake fluids [[http:// | ||
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