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 <font 18px/Arial, , ;;#000000;;#ffffd0>2004-2013 Speedometers</font> <font 18px/Arial, , ;;#000000;;#ffffd0>2004-2013 Speedometers</font>
  
-Beginning in 2004, the Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) feeds its pulses to the ECM (not directly to the speedometer). The ECM interprets the pulses and sends a digital stream of data, using the Serial Data Bus, to the speedometer & the TSM/TSSM related to the operating speed. The speedometer takes the SDB data and converts it to the necessary impulses to operate the dial needle to show the current speed. The TSM/TSSM uses the data in evaluating when to cancel the turn signal function.+Beginning in 2004, the Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) feeds its pulses to the ICM/ECM (not directly to the speedometer). The ICM/ECM interprets the pulses and sends a digital stream of data, using the Serial Data Bus, to the speedometer & the TSM/TSSM related to the operating speed. The speedometer takes the SDB data and converts it to the necessary impulses to operate the dial needle to show the current speed. The TSM/TSSM uses the data in evaluating when to cancel the turn signal function.
  
-The Speedometer 'marries' to the ECM (when new after 30+ miles) and thereby may prevent the speedometer from being moved to another bike or another already-used speedometer being placed on this bike. This is related to preventing turn-back of the mileage reported on the odometer. The odometer information is stored in the speedometer. ((Speedo-barrygreen https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/133506-what-records-the-milage-the-speedo-or-the-ecm?t=1434026))((ECM-HandOverFist https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/140830-new-h-d-combined-speedo-tach?t=1526835 Post#222))+The Speedometer 'marries' to the ECM (when new after 30+ miles) and thereby may prevent the speedometer from being moved to another bike or another already-used speedometer being placed on this bike. This is related to preventing turn-back of the mileage reported on the odometer. For 2004-2013, the odometer information is stored in the speedometer. ((Speedo-barrygreen https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/133506-what-records-the-milage-the-speedo-or-the-ecm?t=1434026))((ECM-HandOverFist https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-electrical/sportster-motorcycle-electrical-and-ignition/140830-new-h-d-combined-speedo-tach?t=1526835 Post#222))
  
 XLForum Discussion: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/181738-dtcs-u1255-u1016-any-known-causes-ecm-dying/page2#post3887377 XLForum Discussion: https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/efi-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2007-and-up/181738-dtcs-u1255-u1016-any-known-causes-ecm-dying/page2#post3887377
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-**2004-later - Speedometer WOW Test** ((From the Electrical Diagnostic Manual))\\ 
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-Typically, when power is applied and the speedometer turns on, it proceeds through an initialization sequence. It does this every time power is removed and re-applied. 
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-The visible part of this sequence is the check engine lamp, security lamp, backlighting and odometer display. Upon key ON (Run/Off switch set to RUN), the check engine lamp and security lamp will illuminate for four seconds and then (if parameters are normal) will turn off. 
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-As an additional quick check of speedometer function, a "WOW" test can be performed. Press and hold trip odometer reset switch, then turn Ignition Switch ON. 
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-Release trip odometer reset switch. Background lighting should illuminate, gauge needle should sweep its full range of motion, and indicator lamps (check engine, low fuel, battery and security) should illuminate. 
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-If instrument module fails "WOW" test, check for battery, ground, ignition, trip odometer reset switch and accessory wiring to speedometer. 
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-**Tech Notes:**\\ 
-Constant power is supplied to the speedometer through Pin2 (Battery) of Connector #20 on the Main Harness. The speedometer turns on when power is applied to Pin6 (Ignition - Conn20). The speedometer proceeds through an initialization sequence every time power is removed (key switch off) and re-applied to Pin1 (Accessory - Conn20). The visible part of this sequence is the check engine lamp, security lamp, backlighting and odometer display. Upon key ON (Run/Off switch set to RUN), the check engine lamp and security lamp will illuminate for four seconds and then (if parameters are normal) will turn off. 
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-The Security Lamp (Security Indicator in the speedometer), which is shaped like a 'key', is illuminated by the TSM/TSSM/HFSM using positive voltage on the BROWN/Violet wire. 
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-^  Power Sources at Connector 20 of the Main Harness (to Instruments)  |||| 
-|  Pin 2          |  Pin 6             |  Pin 1               |  Pin 12    | 
-|  Battery Fuse   |  Instrument Fuse   |  Accessory Fuse      |  Ground    | 
-|  Constant       |  When Ignition ON  |  When ACC or Ign ON  |  Constant  | 
-^  The results of these connections failing  |||| 
-| * Security lamp\\ .. glows dimly\\ .. during\\ .. 4-second\\ .. bulb check | * Will not do WOW\\ * Speed shows 0\\ * Tach unaffected\\ * Security lamp works\\ * Check Engine lamp\\ .. & battery lamp\\ .. non-functional\\ * No diagnostics | * Speedo non-functional\\ * Security lamp\\ .. will still do\\ .. 4-sec display | * Speedo non-functional\\ * No diagnostics | 
  
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 +==== 2004-later Speedo WOW Test ====
 +((From the Electrical Diagnostic Manual))\\
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 +Typically, when power is applied and the speedometer turns on, it proceeds through an initialization sequence. It does this every time power is removed and re-applied.
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 +The visible part of this sequence is the check engine lamp, security lamp, backlighting and odometer display. Upon key ON (Run/Off switch set to RUN), the check engine lamp and security lamp will illuminate for four seconds and then (if parameters are normal) will turn off.
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 +As an additional quick check of speedometer function, a "WOW" test can be performed. Press and hold trip odometer reset switch, then turn Ignition Switch ON.
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 +Release trip odometer reset switch. Background lighting should illuminate, gauge needle should sweep its full range of motion, and indicator lamps (check engine, low fuel, battery and security) should illuminate.
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 +If instrument module fails "WOW" test, check for loose wiring at the speedometer. If you can, access Diagnostic Trouble Codes.
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 +**Tech Notes - 2004-2013**\\
 +If instrument module fails "WOW" test, check for battery, ground, ignition, trip odometer reset switch and accessory wiring to speedometer.
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 +Constant power is supplied to the speedometer through Pin2 (Battery) of Connector #20 on the Main Harness. The speedometer turns on when power is applied to Pin6 (Ignition - Conn20). The speedometer proceeds through an initialization sequence every time power is removed (key switch off) and re-applied to Pin1 (Accessory - Conn20). The visible part of this sequence is the check engine lamp, security lamp, backlighting and odometer display. Upon key ON (Run/Off switch set to RUN), the check engine lamp and security lamp will illuminate for four seconds and then (if parameters are normal) will turn off.
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 +The Security Lamp (Security Indicator in the speedometer), which is shaped like a 'key', is illuminated by the TSM/TSSM/HFSM using positive voltage on the BROWN/Violet wire.
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 +^  Power Sources to Speedometer  |||||
 +|  Source     |  Battery Fuse  |  Instrument Fuse  |  Accessory Fuse  |  Ground    |
 +|  Conn#20    |  Pin 2         |  Pin 6            |  Pin 1           |  Pin 12    |
 +|  At Speedo  |  Pin 5         |  Pin 1            |  Pin 6           |  Pin 7     |
 +|  When       |  Constant      |  Ignition ON      |  ACC or Ign ON   |  Constant  |
 +^  The results of these connections failing  |||||
 +|             | * Speedo non-functional\\ * Security lamp\\ .. glows dimly\\ .. during\\ .. 4-second\\ .. bulb check | * Will not do WOW\\ * Speed shows 0\\ * Tach unaffected\\ * Security lamp works\\ * Check Engine lamp\\ .. & battery lamp\\ .. non-functional\\ * No diagnostics | * Speedo non-functional\\ * Security lamp\\ .. will still do\\ .. 4-sec display | * Speedo non-functional\\ * No diagnostics |
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 ===== Indicator Lights - Idiot Lights ===== ===== Indicator Lights - Idiot Lights =====
  
-**1992-1994** models used Indicator Units without replaceable individual bulbs - The entire unit (cylindrical housing with pig tail wires) needs to be replaced:\\+**Indicator Lights - Circuit Activation** 
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 +| YEAR | Indicator | Activated By | 
 +| 86-91 |  HiBeam  | Powered from Hi/Lo Switch when on 'HI' | 
 +| ::: |  Turn  | Single Lamp - Powered when either TS Switch Active | 
 +| ::: | HiBeam & TS Indicators Are Always Grounded || 
 +| ::: |  Neutral  | Grounded when Neutral Switch Active| 
 +| ::: |  Oil  | Grounded when Oil Pressure Switch has 'Low' Pressure | 
 +| ::: | Neutral & Oil Indicators Always Get Power from Acc Circuit || 
 +| 92-13 |  HiBeam  | Powered from Hi/Lo Switch when on 'HI' | 
 +| ::: |  L. Turn  | Power from Left TS output circuit of TSM | 
 +| ::: |  R. Turn  | Power from Right TS output circuit of TSM | 
 +| ::: | HiBeam & TS Indicators Are Always Grounded || 
 +| ::: |  Neutral  | Grounded when Neutral Switch Active| 
 +| ::: |  Oil  | Grounded when Oil Pressure Switch has 'Low' Pressure | 
 +| ::: | Neutral & Oil Indicators Are Always Powered from Acc Circuit || 
 +| 14-22 |  HiBeam  | \\ Each Indicator is grounded from the Speedometer\\ based on system operations as communicated to\\ the Speedometer from the ECM over the CANbus.| 
 +| ::: |  L. Turn  | ::: | 
 +| ::: |  R. Turn  | ::: | 
 +| ::: |  Neutral  | ::: | 
 +| ::: |  Oil  | ::: | 
 +| ::: | All Indicators are Powered from Always-On Battery Fuse || 
 +| Note: TS means Turn Signal / TSM means Turn Signal Module ||| 
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 +**Bulbs** 
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 +**1986-1991** models used individual Indicator bulbs.\\ 
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 +**1992-1994** models used Indicator Units without replaceable individual bulbs - The entire unit (cylindrical housing with pig tail wires) needs to be replaced.\\
  
 **1995-2006** models used replaceable Indicator Bulbs - P/N 68024-94\\ **1995-2006** models used replaceable Indicator Bulbs - P/N 68024-94\\
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 The indicator lights are LEDs that are soldered onto a circuit board strip (SMDs). These individual LEDs are activated by the Speedometer, which communicates with the ECM/BCM via the CANbus. The indicator lights are LEDs that are soldered onto a circuit board strip (SMDs). These individual LEDs are activated by the Speedometer, which communicates with the ECM/BCM via the CANbus.
  
-Here is DIY info regarding the repair of faulty indicator lights (2014-later). +Here is DIY info regarding the repair of faulty indicator lights.\\ 
-  * [[techtalk:evo:elec03b|Subdoc - Indicator / Warning Lights Not Working - Repair]]+  * [[techtalk:evo:elec03b|Subdoc - Indicator / Warning Lights Not Working - Repair (2014-later).]] 
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 +An interesting repair in this [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/202706-repair-of-trim-plate-indicator-lamps-68513-95a?t=2079909|XLForum Thread]] by Krono.
  
 **INDICATOR LIGHTS PARTS LIST** **INDICATOR LIGHTS PARTS LIST**
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 ^ 2007 Custom Models - LEDs || ^ 2007 Custom Models - LEDs ||
 | | LEDs & Housing part of Harness (68814-07)\\ 68382-07B Trim Plate & Bezel Assy (Symbols/Clear Lense) | | | LEDs & Housing part of Harness (68814-07)\\ 68382-07B Trim Plate & Bezel Assy (Symbols/Clear Lense) |
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-An interesting repair in this [[https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/rubber-mount-sportster-motorcycle-talk-2004-2006/202706-repair-of-trim-plate-indicator-lamps-68513-95a?t=2079909|XLForum Thread]] by Krono. 
  
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 +**( [[techtalk:evo:engctl03b|SUBdoc - VSS / Speedometer / TSM Control Signals]] )**
  
 **( [[techtalk:evo:elec03g|SUBdoc - BASIC TESTING of Turn Signal Wiring]] )** **( [[techtalk:evo:elec03g|SUBdoc - BASIC TESTING of Turn Signal Wiring]] )**

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